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Friday, March 14, 2008  

 New Pontiac G8 commercial
 

Nice to see that Pontiac is spending scarce advertising dollars to the new G8. That's one major difference from the recent GTO experience...  and is another reason why that car was a bust in the marketplace.

Of course the GTO was technically very poor... one look inside the truck would convince you of the compromises that were made to get this car to the market. The new G8 has an all-new chassis that is fairly sophisticated and well tuned. It's also the basis for the upcoming Camaro... so you should watch this one closely.


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Thursday, July 05, 2007  

 Does Holden Commodore/Pontiac G8 = 2009 Camaro?
 

Given the press release in my post that preceeded this one (announcing the 1st prorotype build of the Commodore-based Pontiac G8) , I have some questions about this platform and by extension the 2009 Camaro. According to my previous posting, the G8 (Holden) uses a new "global rear wheel drive architecture".  And yet we know that there are changes being made to this platform to accomodate further uses - aka Lutz' ongoing discussion of "longer, shorter" wheelbase as well as longer and shorter engine compartment (thus alloing for both different sized cars as well as engines longer than a V-8 - aka his utopian and very unrealistic of a V-12 super-Caddy based on this platform) and how that development has delayed the Camaro a year. If that is true, is the G8 truly a world architecture, or merely version .5 of that architecture? Won't the Camaro be the first true use of that architecture? Or am I reading too much into his statement?

In either case, the suspension of the G8 is well documented, we have specs and images of the entire thing. If this is 100% the Camaro platform,  then we know everything about that car suspension-wise (we still need to know the weight of the car and that will be a very interesting number given it's apparent size).

The following press release was issued at the same time the Holden was released. The fully adjustable front and rear independent suspensions (which I've highlighted in red below) are going to be a great feature for future Camaro owners who wish to drive their cars in performance events. The adjustability means owners will be able to optimize their alignments for those particular events. While the Camaro will be a bit large and porky for autocross, it may be successful (and cost-effective) for use in open track events. The Holden brakes are too small (only 12.6" in front), but I believe Chevy will offer a larger brake package.

My speculation (for a performance package model) based on the Holden specs that have been released, and on leveraging GM's known engine development plans:

  • Engine: LS3    
    • GM's latest, will be implemented across the board
  • Transmission: Tremac T6060    
    • replacing now-obsolete T-56 the Holden originally launched with
  • Length: 182"   
    • visually a much shorter trunk than the Mustang - the Camaro has very short overhangs
  • Weight: 3650 pds    
    • a stretch - but given the chassis already exists and the upcoming 35 MPG standard, all unnecessary weight will be removed before production
  • Balance: 53/47% fr/rr   
    • reflecting the aluminum block
  • Brakes: 13.5"/13" 2-piston/1-piston fr/rr   
    • off-the shelf PBRs

But then the Camaro specs haven't been officially announced yet so for now this is just an educated guess. We won't know for sure for another year.  Needless to say, a great car is coming!

2 notes:

  • The grotesquely & morbidly obese Shelby Mustang, perched ass-up on it's antique solid rear axle, weights just a bit under 4000 pounds and has 58.5% of it's weight over the front wheels - like a FWD car. No wonder it handles so poorly. Contributing to that unhealthy condition is an iron block engine from the F-150, a high center of gravity due to the supercharger and necessary plumbing, and a stamped steel suspension. Clearly a compromise: cost was the major concern, made worse by not being able to share platform costs with any other product in the world. The base V-6 and V-8 engines come directly from the Explorer and that does save some expense.
  • The Camaro looks great in the new Transformers movie. That Camaro (Bumblebee for those of you - not me - who follow Transformers) is of course based on the showcar... so let's hope the "presence" of the showcar does indeed carry over into production.

Holden press release follows.


FOR RELEASE: 2006-07-25

Sophisticated New Suspension System For Commodore

Linear Control Suspension makes its debut in 2006 range alongside larger brakes, wheels and tyres

Holden’s legendary performance will be connected to the road with sophisticated new suspension systems, larger fade resistant brakes and specifically developed larger wheel and tyre packages.

Drivers will immediately notice sharper handling and improved stability across Australia’s vast range of motoring conditions.

Holden has introduced Linear Control Suspension - an advanced, four-link system at the rear and multi-link strut system at the front - to enhance Commodore’s appeal to a wide range of drivers.

All new larger fade resistant brakes, larger wheel and tyre packages and a revised forward-mounted steering rack are among other major vehicle dynamics developments.

Holden Vehicle Systems Engineer for Chassis and Powertrain Integration, Andrew Holmes, said significant development targets for each system were supported by a specific program to integrate them as a cohesive package.

“It’s one thing to improve a number of your architectural parts, but they must be well integrated to get the best overall results,” Holmes said.

“We have improved on-centre steering feel and delivered sharper handling and directional stability.

“The car has also been desensitised to external influences such as crosswinds and road camber changes.”

Holmes said engineers had achieved almost 50:50 weight distribution between the front and the rear, also contributing to Commodore’s well-balanced feel.

This had been achieved through measures including the engine being positioned low and rearward within the engine bay, a new saddle-style fuel tank and placing the battery in the rear of the car.

Linear Control Suspension

The result of an eight-year development program, Linear Control Suspension sits alongside the renowned Radial Tuned Suspension of the late 1970s as one of Holden’s most significant advances in the area.

The front suspension is a MacPherson strut-based multi-link system with direct acting stabiliser bar. It features a forward mounted steering rack and dual lower links with individual ball joints at the outer end.

A hydraulically damped bush is used on the forward end of the tension link for improved ride isolation. The lateral link features a rubber spherical joint to provide lateral stiffness for precise handling. It has negative scrub radius, short spindle length, high castor and short mechanical trail.

The rear suspension is a multi-link (four-link) independent system with coil-over shock absorbers and decoupled stabiliser bar.

It has high lateral stiffness for handling through three lateral ball joints per side with improved longitudinal compliance. A rubber isolated suspension frame isolates the body from road imperfections and drivetrain vibrations.

The front suspension is fully adjustable in camber, castor and toe. The rear suspension system is fully adjustable for camber and toe.

VE Commodore offers suspension settings according to model – a comfort biased system on Omega and Berlina and sport handling settings on SV6, SS, SS V, Calais and Calais V. A country pack with higher ride height is optional on Omega.

Brakes, wheels and tyres

All VE models benefit from all new larger brakes and stopping distance is reduced by around five per cent. Vented rotors are on the standard and performance brake packages.

“Both brake packages feature lightweight compact aluminium calipers all round, increased pad area and larger rotors front and rear. They are more fade resistant and provide a stiffer brake pedal feel,” Holmes said.

“We have also had bigger tyres developed which improve handling and longitudinal grip for easier acceleration and shorter stopping distance.”

Standard wheel and tyre combinations start at a 16x7-inch package. Sizes increase to an 19x8 alloy package for SS V with a 20x8-inch package available as a factory accessory.

In a Holden design first, the VE park brake has been integrated in the centre console which allows simple use in left-hand-drive and right-hand-drive applications.

VE COMMODORE SUSPENSION, STEERING, BRAKES AND TYRES – HIGHLIGHTS

Linear Control Suspension

  • Front multi-link with direct-acting stabiliser bar
  • Rear multi-link (four link) independent system with coil-over shock absorbers and decoupled stabiliser bar.
  • Front suspension fully adjustable in camber, castor and toe
  • Rear suspension fully adjustable for camber and toe
  • Ride or comfort-based system on Omega and Berlina
  • Sport or handling-based on SV6, SS, SS V, Calais and Calais V
  • Country pack suspension with higher ride height is optional on Omega

Steering

  • Rack mounted forward of front axle centreline – improves steering feel and precision
  • Variable ratio gear with 15 per cent change from centre to lock
  • 10 per cent faster ratio on-centre

Brakes

  • V6 variants - 298mm x 30mm vented front rotors, 302mm X 22mm vented rear rotors; twin piston compact aluminium calipers at front, single piston aluminium units at rear
  • V8 variants - 321mm x 30mm vented front rotors, 324mm x 22mm vented rear rotors; twin piston compact aluminium calipers at front, single piston aluminium units at rear
  • Pedal release system helps reduce lower leg injuries in frontal impact

Park brake

  • Park brake integrated into centre console design

Wheels and tyres

  • Base combination is 16x7-inch steel wheel 225/60 R16 – 20mm width, 40mm diameter increase
  • Largest combination is 19x8-inch alloy wheel 245/40R19
  • 20x8-inch alloy wheel available as Holden genuine accessory


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 1st G8 prototypes roll off the line in Australia
 

Here's a car I'm looking forward to test driving later this year: The Holden-based Pontiac G8. With rear wheel drive, a V-8 and 6-speed, and large brakes, this should be a great drivers car. 

And all indications are that it will not be the failure the GTO was: the platform is all-new (versus considerably dated), the independent rear suspension is all-new (versus tracing it's lineage back 10 years) and will perform well (versus having traction issues and high-speed fuzziness), the gas tank is in the right place (versus being moved to the trunk during the export redesign), and the car has room for more wheel and tire (versus being woefully limited to 245s). And of course the styling doesn't look like an over-inflated Chevy Cavelier.

Instead of a dressed-up excuse, this is a no-excuses product.

Holden press release follows.


FOR RELEASE: 2007-07-04

First Pontiac G8 Prototypes Roll Off The Line


GM Holden celebrated today as the first Pontiac G8 engineering prototypes to be produced at Holden Vehicle Operations in Elizabeth rolled off the line.

The G8 will be available in Pontiac dealerships in the United States in early 2008 to take its place among General Motors' flagship high performance vehicles.

The Pontiac G8 performance sedan will be the first North American product to be based on GM’s new global rear wheel drive architecture, developed by the global team based here in Australia.

Production of the Pontiac G8 is scheduled to commence at the Holden plant in late 2007, bringing the production line to a maximum capacity rate of 620 cars per day.

Announcing this production milestone was Holden Executive Director of Manufacturing, Rod Keane.

He was joined at the media event at the Elizabeth plant by government and industry officials including The Hon Ian Macfarlane MP, Federal Minister for Industry, Tourism and Resources and the Hon Kevin Foley MP, Deputy Premier of South Australia and Minister for Industry.

Mr Keane said, “ The Pontiac G8 highlights GM Holden’s rear-wheel drive expertise. It shows that international borders pose no limits on the creativity and expertise demonstrated by a global team based here in Australia.

“General Motors is drawing on Holden’s recognised leadership in rear-wheel drive cars to be able to deliver uniquely tailored vehicles for markets in Australia, the United States, the Middle East and South Africa.

"With exports integral to GM Holden’s future business strategy, the flexibility we have here at the Elizabeth plant is central to achieving that. When full production of the Pontiac G8 gets underway we will be building cars here at Elizabeth for every continent except Antarctica.”

The export program will expand the model range at Holden’s Elizabeth plant to 18 domestic and 15 export vehicle lines.

Holden has Australia's longest running and largest automotive export program which has delivered more than 772,000 vehicles over the last 50 years.


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Friday, February 09, 2007  

 Pontiac G8 preview videos
 




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Tuesday, February 06, 2007  

 Pontiac G8 Forums
 

Some smart webmaster has jumped right in and created a forum for the new Pontiac G8 (demonstrating yet again how easy it is to setup a board powered by vBulletin). Follow the link to the new site.

The Pontiac G8 is actually an Australian Holden with some minor changes for the US Market. Unlike the poorly done Pontiac GTO, the G8 was designed from the start to be exported and it doesn't suffer from the types of compromises and limitations that hobbled the GTO. And it's on an all-new platform, not a recycled one that had been around for 15 years (which we'd seen before as the Catera!).

 

Pontiac enthusiasts can also visit the "Pontiac Underground" site here: http://pontiacunderground.autos.yahoo.com/


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Thursday, May 18, 2006  

 GM: The Drive ('vegas)
 

I was in 'Vegas on business this week. Nothing to do with 'vegas itself, so what happened there doesn't need to stay there. I spent the other day in almost straight-thru teleconferences - even missing the teaming event the folks I was there to meet with put on. So, after a full day of this stuff, cooped up in my room the entire time (and with the minibar emptying out), I finally made my escape at about 4:30 and went across town to the GM Experience. This was a much-needed "escape", of just the kind I like, absolutely required after all this teleconference stuff. Driving is - after all - What it's All About, and even though I'm not in the market for some of these cars (and with some, never will be), it was great to drive them all.  

Reference: http://www.thedrivevegas.com/

Review: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2006-04-06-vegas-off-roading_x.htm

I started with a Solstice. Unfortunately, the engine feels "agricultural" - like a tractor engine. I literally thought the hand-brake was on. This car would not work for me as it stands... it'd be ok for daily commute but not at all enough for track events. It very very badly needs a turbo (and a weight loss program). I also drove a 2006 Z51 'vette on the same course, and it was day and night different - as you'd expect. The C6 is - as many of you know - a far better car than the C5. The seats actually hold you in place, the dash is easier see over, and the squeaks - while still present - are considerably less. Note that the GM folks don't make a Z06 available... if they did I'd have spent the entire time in it.

I also drove a new CTS-V (terrible shifter - long and poorly placed, weird ergonomics), an STS-V (great engine - 469 horses - and a responsive tranny - a far better car than the CTS-V, and very flat handling), and also a GTO (horribly out-dated - no enthusiast value at all, and it rolls in the turns like a pig - I hated it). Got the STS-V to very carefully toe-steer with it's tail (the true benefit of an IRS) - it was *very* "point-able" with its blown 4.4 and very good gearing - and more importantly it's level handling (although I noted to the instructor that the right-left front tire needed about 2 pounds of air). I liked that car (if I were ever in the market for such a thing... of course an M5 or something of that type would be a better choice). The CTS-V was also fun... although very clearly dated and the driving position was terrible.

I wrapped up the day by driving an H2 and a 2007 Escalade on an off-road course with hills and mixed-level stuff. Neither are my type of vehicle. The H2 (just as shown in the USA Today article) goes only on the off-road course, which includes a fairly tall hill with 60 degrees angles. The course starts with a 1 foot shear concrete wall - so you learn immediately you can't just slam into it. You have to use the H2s "creep" gear for the course. After the off-road part, it goes onto a short road course with three 180-degree turns. Turning radius of the H2 was very good (they didn't have an H1 and I didn't bother with the H3). The Escalade, by comparison, was just ok on the off-road, it clearly didn't have the front diff that worked so well in the H2. Since I had never driven off-road to this degree, it was interesting. I did pass up on some of the other trucks, a big Buick, and that silly Chevy 2-seat truck (now cancelled, fortunately).

Normally this is two laps apiece, but the place was empty and I started talking to one of the instructors who knew about The Drivers Edge. So I got in several more laps in various cars (I didn't care to in the GTO - that thing is pointless). The instructors are a mixed lot: either no experience at all in any kind of performance driving, or some with some racing experience - some active. One I talked to said she was at first excited by the job but that it got progressively more boring as the job wore on - gigantic crowds and unruly people. I gathered that the place has been open since April 10th.

BTW, notice how you have to take a breathalyzer test when you go in - zero tolerance. This is a feature of having the event in 'vegas... where open bottles are the routine.

This is not anything more than a test drive... GM has offered this as a rolling road show in the past, and I think it's Land Rover who has a similar off-road course in Houston and Porsche who has a couple of hundred yards of auto-x in Houston? So, it was fun, and revealing, and I think my impressions would hold true elsewhere.

Anyone buying one of these would be better doing an extended test drive from a dealer (see my site for my original S2000 test drives: one here in 'vegas on back-country roads that went on for hundreds of miles, and another outside the dealer's lot on back roads in San Marcos - that left the salesman sweating and gripping the door handle with both hands). You have to drive these things thoroughly before committing... and that was exaqctly what I was doing.

Don't forget The DrivingEnthusiast.net's Rule of Automotive Acquisition: (with apologies to the Ferengi) never buy what you test drive. About 20k miles down the road it will be suspiciously and prematurely eating oil because you drove the wee out of it before the engine was broken in. Leave the test drive car at the dealer and start fresh with a pristine car - undriven and ordered new off the line, and carefully break it in.

 


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