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Friday, March 14, 2008  

 New Pontiac G8 commercial
 

Nice to see that Pontiac is spending scarce advertising dollars to the new G8. That's one major difference from the recent GTO experience...  and is another reason why that car was a bust in the marketplace.

Of course the GTO was technically very poor... one look inside the truck would convince you of the compromises that were made to get this car to the market. The new G8 has an all-new chassis that is fairly sophisticated and well tuned. It's also the basis for the upcoming Camaro... so you should watch this one closely.


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Thursday, July 05, 2007  

 Does Holden Commodore/Pontiac G8 = 2009 Camaro?
 

Given the press release in my post that preceeded this one (announcing the 1st prorotype build of the Commodore-based Pontiac G8) , I have some questions about this platform and by extension the 2009 Camaro. According to my previous posting, the G8 (Holden) uses a new "global rear wheel drive architecture".  And yet we know that there are changes being made to this platform to accomodate further uses - aka Lutz' ongoing discussion of "longer, shorter" wheelbase as well as longer and shorter engine compartment (thus alloing for both different sized cars as well as engines longer than a V-8 - aka his utopian and very unrealistic of a V-12 super-Caddy based on this platform) and how that development has delayed the Camaro a year. If that is true, is the G8 truly a world architecture, or merely version .5 of that architecture? Won't the Camaro be the first true use of that architecture? Or am I reading too much into his statement?

In either case, the suspension of the G8 is well documented, we have specs and images of the entire thing. If this is 100% the Camaro platform,  then we know everything about that car suspension-wise (we still need to know the weight of the car and that will be a very interesting number given it's apparent size).

The following press release was issued at the same time the Holden was released. The fully adjustable front and rear independent suspensions (which I've highlighted in red below) are going to be a great feature for future Camaro owners who wish to drive their cars in performance events. The adjustability means owners will be able to optimize their alignments for those particular events. While the Camaro will be a bit large and porky for autocross, it may be successful (and cost-effective) for use in open track events. The Holden brakes are too small (only 12.6" in front), but I believe Chevy will offer a larger brake package.

My speculation (for a performance package model) based on the Holden specs that have been released, and on leveraging GM's known engine development plans:

  • Engine: LS3    
    • GM's latest, will be implemented across the board
  • Transmission: Tremac T6060    
    • replacing now-obsolete T-56 the Holden originally launched with
  • Length: 182"   
    • visually a much shorter trunk than the Mustang - the Camaro has very short overhangs
  • Weight: 3650 pds    
    • a stretch - but given the chassis already exists and the upcoming 35 MPG standard, all unnecessary weight will be removed before production
  • Balance: 53/47% fr/rr   
    • reflecting the aluminum block
  • Brakes: 13.5"/13" 2-piston/1-piston fr/rr   
    • off-the shelf PBRs

But then the Camaro specs haven't been officially announced yet so for now this is just an educated guess. We won't know for sure for another year.  Needless to say, a great car is coming!

2 notes:

  • The grotesquely & morbidly obese Shelby Mustang, perched ass-up on it's antique solid rear axle, weights just a bit under 4000 pounds and has 58.5% of it's weight over the front wheels - like a FWD car. No wonder it handles so poorly. Contributing to that unhealthy condition is an iron block engine from the F-150, a high center of gravity due to the supercharger and necessary plumbing, and a stamped steel suspension. Clearly a compromise: cost was the major concern, made worse by not being able to share platform costs with any other product in the world. The base V-6 and V-8 engines come directly from the Explorer and that does save some expense.
  • The Camaro looks great in the new Transformers movie. That Camaro (Bumblebee for those of you - not me - who follow Transformers) is of course based on the showcar... so let's hope the "presence" of the showcar does indeed carry over into production.

Holden press release follows.


FOR RELEASE: 2006-07-25

Sophisticated New Suspension System For Commodore

Linear Control Suspension makes its debut in 2006 range alongside larger brakes, wheels and tyres

Holden’s legendary performance will be connected to the road with sophisticated new suspension systems, larger fade resistant brakes and specifically developed larger wheel and tyre packages.

Drivers will immediately notice sharper handling and improved stability across Australia’s vast range of motoring conditions.

Holden has introduced Linear Control Suspension - an advanced, four-link system at the rear and multi-link strut system at the front - to enhance Commodore’s appeal to a wide range of drivers.

All new larger fade resistant brakes, larger wheel and tyre packages and a revised forward-mounted steering rack are among other major vehicle dynamics developments.

Holden Vehicle Systems Engineer for Chassis and Powertrain Integration, Andrew Holmes, said significant development targets for each system were supported by a specific program to integrate them as a cohesive package.

“It’s one thing to improve a number of your architectural parts, but they must be well integrated to get the best overall results,” Holmes said.

“We have improved on-centre steering feel and delivered sharper handling and directional stability.

“The car has also been desensitised to external influences such as crosswinds and road camber changes.”

Holmes said engineers had achieved almost 50:50 weight distribution between the front and the rear, also contributing to Commodore’s well-balanced feel.

This had been achieved through measures including the engine being positioned low and rearward within the engine bay, a new saddle-style fuel tank and placing the battery in the rear of the car.

Linear Control Suspension

The result of an eight-year development program, Linear Control Suspension sits alongside the renowned Radial Tuned Suspension of the late 1970s as one of Holden’s most significant advances in the area.

The front suspension is a MacPherson strut-based multi-link system with direct acting stabiliser bar. It features a forward mounted steering rack and dual lower links with individual ball joints at the outer end.

A hydraulically damped bush is used on the forward end of the tension link for improved ride isolation. The lateral link features a rubber spherical joint to provide lateral stiffness for precise handling. It has negative scrub radius, short spindle length, high castor and short mechanical trail.

The rear suspension is a multi-link (four-link) independent system with coil-over shock absorbers and decoupled stabiliser bar.

It has high lateral stiffness for handling through three lateral ball joints per side with improved longitudinal compliance. A rubber isolated suspension frame isolates the body from road imperfections and drivetrain vibrations.

The front suspension is fully adjustable in camber, castor and toe. The rear suspension system is fully adjustable for camber and toe.

VE Commodore offers suspension settings according to model – a comfort biased system on Omega and Berlina and sport handling settings on SV6, SS, SS V, Calais and Calais V. A country pack with higher ride height is optional on Omega.

Brakes, wheels and tyres

All VE models benefit from all new larger brakes and stopping distance is reduced by around five per cent. Vented rotors are on the standard and performance brake packages.

“Both brake packages feature lightweight compact aluminium calipers all round, increased pad area and larger rotors front and rear. They are more fade resistant and provide a stiffer brake pedal feel,” Holmes said.

“We have also had bigger tyres developed which improve handling and longitudinal grip for easier acceleration and shorter stopping distance.”

Standard wheel and tyre combinations start at a 16x7-inch package. Sizes increase to an 19x8 alloy package for SS V with a 20x8-inch package available as a factory accessory.

In a Holden design first, the VE park brake has been integrated in the centre console which allows simple use in left-hand-drive and right-hand-drive applications.

VE COMMODORE SUSPENSION, STEERING, BRAKES AND TYRES – HIGHLIGHTS

Linear Control Suspension

  • Front multi-link with direct-acting stabiliser bar
  • Rear multi-link (four link) independent system with coil-over shock absorbers and decoupled stabiliser bar.
  • Front suspension fully adjustable in camber, castor and toe
  • Rear suspension fully adjustable for camber and toe
  • Ride or comfort-based system on Omega and Berlina
  • Sport or handling-based on SV6, SS, SS V, Calais and Calais V
  • Country pack suspension with higher ride height is optional on Omega

Steering

  • Rack mounted forward of front axle centreline – improves steering feel and precision
  • Variable ratio gear with 15 per cent change from centre to lock
  • 10 per cent faster ratio on-centre

Brakes

  • V6 variants - 298mm x 30mm vented front rotors, 302mm X 22mm vented rear rotors; twin piston compact aluminium calipers at front, single piston aluminium units at rear
  • V8 variants - 321mm x 30mm vented front rotors, 324mm x 22mm vented rear rotors; twin piston compact aluminium calipers at front, single piston aluminium units at rear
  • Pedal release system helps reduce lower leg injuries in frontal impact

Park brake

  • Park brake integrated into centre console design

Wheels and tyres

  • Base combination is 16x7-inch steel wheel 225/60 R16 – 20mm width, 40mm diameter increase
  • Largest combination is 19x8-inch alloy wheel 245/40R19
  • 20x8-inch alloy wheel available as Holden genuine accessory


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 1st G8 prototypes roll off the line in Australia
 

Here's a car I'm looking forward to test driving later this year: The Holden-based Pontiac G8. With rear wheel drive, a V-8 and 6-speed, and large brakes, this should be a great drivers car. 

And all indications are that it will not be the failure the GTO was: the platform is all-new (versus considerably dated), the independent rear suspension is all-new (versus tracing it's lineage back 10 years) and will perform well (versus having traction issues and high-speed fuzziness), the gas tank is in the right place (versus being moved to the trunk during the export redesign), and the car has room for more wheel and tire (versus being woefully limited to 245s). And of course the styling doesn't look like an over-inflated Chevy Cavelier.

Instead of a dressed-up excuse, this is a no-excuses product.

Holden press release follows.


FOR RELEASE: 2007-07-04

First Pontiac G8 Prototypes Roll Off The Line


GM Holden celebrated today as the first Pontiac G8 engineering prototypes to be produced at Holden Vehicle Operations in Elizabeth rolled off the line.

The G8 will be available in Pontiac dealerships in the United States in early 2008 to take its place among General Motors' flagship high performance vehicles.

The Pontiac G8 performance sedan will be the first North American product to be based on GM’s new global rear wheel drive architecture, developed by the global team based here in Australia.

Production of the Pontiac G8 is scheduled to commence at the Holden plant in late 2007, bringing the production line to a maximum capacity rate of 620 cars per day.

Announcing this production milestone was Holden Executive Director of Manufacturing, Rod Keane.

He was joined at the media event at the Elizabeth plant by government and industry officials including The Hon Ian Macfarlane MP, Federal Minister for Industry, Tourism and Resources and the Hon Kevin Foley MP, Deputy Premier of South Australia and Minister for Industry.

Mr Keane said, “ The Pontiac G8 highlights GM Holden’s rear-wheel drive expertise. It shows that international borders pose no limits on the creativity and expertise demonstrated by a global team based here in Australia.

“General Motors is drawing on Holden’s recognised leadership in rear-wheel drive cars to be able to deliver uniquely tailored vehicles for markets in Australia, the United States, the Middle East and South Africa.

"With exports integral to GM Holden’s future business strategy, the flexibility we have here at the Elizabeth plant is central to achieving that. When full production of the Pontiac G8 gets underway we will be building cars here at Elizabeth for every continent except Antarctica.”

The export program will expand the model range at Holden’s Elizabeth plant to 18 domestic and 15 export vehicle lines.

Holden has Australia's longest running and largest automotive export program which has delivered more than 772,000 vehicles over the last 50 years.


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Tuesday, February 06, 2007  

 Pontiac G8 Forums
 

Some smart webmaster has jumped right in and created a forum for the new Pontiac G8 (demonstrating yet again how easy it is to setup a board powered by vBulletin). Follow the link to the new site.

The Pontiac G8 is actually an Australian Holden with some minor changes for the US Market. Unlike the poorly done Pontiac GTO, the G8 was designed from the start to be exported and it doesn't suffer from the types of compromises and limitations that hobbled the GTO. And it's on an all-new platform, not a recycled one that had been around for 15 years (which we'd seen before as the Catera!).

 

Pontiac enthusiasts can also visit the "Pontiac Underground" site here: http://pontiacunderground.autos.yahoo.com/


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Sunday, August 27, 2006  

 Solstice club drive this weekend!
 

map of solstice club drive in central texas august 2006Driving is what it’s ALL ABOUT...!

For me, back-country driving is one of the best parts of "my" automotive hobby. Driving on roads to “the middle of nowhere” is not about burning up those roads; it is about enjoying them at a quick pace, enjoying the scenery, and seeing new places. Sometimes these drives are held as a TSD rally (time-speed-distance navigational competition); sometimes they are formally-led drives of fellow car enthusiasts. Designing and leading a drive for a group of fellow car enthusiasts is a fun way to meet new people. And truly great cars are ones that can be driven hard and fast for long periods of time. The S2000, Evo, and Solstice/Sky all qualify there.

Living in Central Texas has a lot of really enjoyable aspects. A wide variety of back roads – thousands of miles of potential roads to drive – is one of the big attractions here. I haven’t had as much fun on back roads since my TSD rally days of many years ago. In more recent years, it was the local S2000 club which really excelled at regularly hosting drives. At its peak we were often driving twice a month over most of the year. It was a great way to form bonds amongst owners with similar interests. It’s this type of same thing that I think would be most valuable to the Solstice clubs that are springing up around the country.

You'll remember my earlier post about the first Solstice Club drive last March that we led: at the time it was (as far as we were able to ascertain) the largest Solstice club drive ever held. It even got GM's attention.

Reference: March 2006 Solstice Drive

Reference: August 2006 Solstice Drive

Since then, we've been wanting to hold a smaller but much longer drive. In June, Steve and Derek, of the local Solstice owners club, asked me to plot and lead another drive. It took several weeks to agree on the date, then 2 weeks to set it up.

Unfortunately, the end of August is still full blast-furnace-hot in Texas (which is certainly preferable to the ice cold wasteland I formerly had to endure as Yankee up north!). So besides being a more challenging and longer drive, we'd have the severe heat to deal with too. The initial concept of a drive lasting for ~8 hours of drive-time (not counting stops) had to be reset to about 5 hours of driving, plan additional and frequent stops for water and rest. We did stick with the idea of both lunch and dinner on the road - but air conditioned restaurants were required. Furthermore, to ensure everybody kept their cool, we scheduled a stop at Longhorn Caverns to give everybody a chance to really cool down (it’s in the sixties underground!). Then we'd head to Fredericksburg, Texas for a late dinner before returning to Austin.

Planning & Prep

As before, in the days before the event we established a route and then drove most (but not all - my mistake) of it to check it out.

I have a "master map" of routes in Central Texas, showing all the "good" driving roads that I know of - as well as some roads that won’t work (gravel, dead ends, etc). I use Microsoft Streets & Trips (“S&T”) to select portions of these roads and to plan the route - as well as to look for "new" roads to try. S&T also supports GPS so that during the drive I can follow the route “live”. Very cool! Why S&T? There are some similar offerings available from other vendors, but this is by far the best of the lot. The graphics are fast, the maps are accurate (most of these programs are all based on the same data provided by a company that consolidates data from state & local governments), the entire set of maps for all of North America can be stored on the hard drive, and route maps can be printed (even with turn-by-turn instructions). It's important before the day of the event to drive the designed route and check for issues such as gravel or deep water (which was the end of one particularly infamous S2000 drive) that S&T can’t show you.

My mistake was not test-driving one small but critical portion of the road... in an isolated part of the route that was literally in the middle of nowhere. For the March drive, we put over 500 test miles on the car as we designed and test-drove the route before the day of the event! For this drive, we did most of it just once.

In planning this drive, I wanted to show the attendees some of the best roads in Central Texas. I designed a route that would be somewhat different from the last drive - besides being longer, I wanted to use some roads south of town and go much farther to the west as we made our way to our dinner stop. It was straightforward to plan this route, but the late addition of the Longhorn Cavern stop severely complicated the route planning. Complicated because the vast expanse of land south of Llano - in the triangle formed by 16 to the west and 71 to the east - has no paved roads which cut all the way thru it. So, we'd have to backtrack down some of the same roads which we'd already driven. In an ideal pre-planning phase, this choice of stop would have been avoided if it all possible. But we needed the cool relief of the underground cave tour in order to keep us all in top form.

In our one pre-drive “test drive”, we checked out a couple of new roads. As I've said, this is an important step because you can’t count on every road on the map being appropriate or even safe. Indeed, one road we wanted to use had an enormous dip which would have severely bottomed out a Solstice. That was too much – so we had to scratch this portion of the hoped-for route at the last minute.

And then I made my goof – it was late, we were out of time, and I was sure from a previous drive that one little piece of road I’d chosen was workable. It turned out to be gravel – discovered of course in the middle of the drive- and was therefore impassable.

Event 

Saturday morning - the big day. Everything was laid out the night before, but even then time was very short. The laptop and GPS had to be plugged into the car and tested, and fueling the driver and navigator are as important as fueling the car. So far, the GPS was working - but the receiver would die 15 minutes into the drive.

We started early with a 10 AM “drivers meeting” in Austin, followed by a 10:30 departure.

When leading a drive, there are two tough challenges you are faced with right off the bat:

1.   getting everybody "trained" to keep up as a group

2.   getting the group quickly out of town.

On the second point, Austin is still not so big that we can't quickly get out of it. We met on 2222, drove it up the hill (providing a twisty preview of the day to come) to Mopac, and then out the southwest side of town. More challenging, however, is the "training" portion. It's tough because most people haven't been on a drive like this - they have a tough time establishing their own pace and then following the pace of the entire group. There are all kinds of different drivers, too - some fast and some not so fast - so you have to account for that and get everybody whipped into shape as a team. Each car has to keep the car behind it in sight - if you start too lose sight of the car behind you then inevitably everyone will fall out of line and get lost. Traffic is a complicating factor.  And when we finally get out of town, a single lane road can be blocked by a truck or a minivan very easily.

And that is exactly what happened (thanks to a dip driving a minivan while blabbing on a cell phone). And which is exactly what caused our schedule for the day to begin to go awry. The minivan alone cost us over ½ hour of time.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. The drive suddenly got much more difficult when my GPS receiver decided to die... it had finally had enough of  a lifetime of being stuck on a hot windshield and baking in the sun. Fortunately, I had the backup plan of just manually following our route on S&T. And if the laptop had died – and fortunately it didn’t - I had a second backup scheme of using a hard copy printout of the map, including turn-by-turn maps.

The rest of the morning went well, other than a mistake of stopping for water at a gas station which led to an extended rest and cost us another 1/2 hour or more. We had to bypass a few roads (“escape” options established up front for just this purpose) to make up more time. Our route followed one particularly long road (with a one-lane water crossing) from the last drive, but otherwise it was all new roads. I believe they were well-received by the group. 

And of course when leading a drive in Central Texas there is only one place to stop for lunch: Opie’s BBQ in Spicewood, TX.  

Choosing a BBQ joint is a controversy, because real Texans love their BBQ (and those of us who wish we were real Texans eat as much of it as is humanly possible in a hopeless quest to become a real Texan). Everybody has their own idea what the best BBQ joint is in Texas - and there are a couple of BBQ joints (around the cities where they don’t know any better) that are absolutely not real Texas style.  In fact, in the morning portion of the drive we went right past one of the better known “tourist” BBQ joints without even acknowledging it!

If you haven’t met “The Man” at Opie’s, you haven’t had real Texas BBQ. ”The Man” is Herbie, who brought his own recipe from a certain other famous Texas BBQ joint and started Opies along with a couple of friends. Herbie likes sports cars: he knows the S2000 well from having at least 50 S2000 drives stop there for lunch over the past 6 years. And the S2000 club knows Opies well. When the Austin chapter of the national S2000 group hosted a national convention a few years back, we had >100 S2000s stop at Opies in the course of only 2 hours.

BTW, don’t confuse this “The Man” with the other nationally known “The Man” in Seattle, Washington. He may be the more famous holder of that title, but he serves N’Orleans-style BBQ to Microsofties who don’t know the real differences between BBQ styles (and having once been a Microsoftie from Texas I knew the difference when I went to check out his restaurant). It was ok – but Texas has best BBQ in the world, and Opies is real Texas-style BBQ.

Lunch went very well, with our group chowing down to the tune of well over a hundred bucks of brisket, ribs, and chicken. BBQ at Opies is indescribably good. And all of our cars were probably more than a bit closer to the ground when we left…

Rather than put everybody right into the twisty stuff again (which would have been an especially bad choice after a heavy BBQ lunch!), we drove a more-or-less direct route to the Longhorn Caverns (taking, but not testing, the infamous “roller coaster” road). Once there we found the underground cavern had been changed to 1.5 hours, instead of only 1. That change all but killed off several miles of road we had yet to travel this afternoon. So, the drive was shortened even further.

After the tour finally ended, we rounded up the group and left. 20 miles down the road we found that an important road that I hadn’t checked in advance (note that I already admitted my mistake above) suddenly changed to gravel. I had sworn that I knew this road from an earlier drive. No choice, time to find a new road. About 30 minutes were lost here altogether, but by now the extreme temperature (>100 degrees) had taken it’s toll on us all and we voted unanimously to take a route straight to dinner.

Fredericksburg, TX is the most successful “tourist” town in Central Texas. By “tourist town”, I mean a town that has completely dedicated itself to providing shops and restaurants – as well as motels and B&Bs – to tourists. Most of the shops sell “stuff for the wives” (and that may sound like a sexist statement, but in contrast a “NASCAR-theme” shop that some poor fool thought up only lasted a very short time before it failed), but there are also several worthwhile book stores, furniture stores, and a gourmet kitchen store for those of you who like to cook.

The town has almost no reason to exist otherwise. What it does, it does very well.

A couple of places for the rest of us to note: first is the Museum of the Pacific War. This is a very well done and worthwhile attraction. You’ll also find the interesting WW2-themed Hangar Hotel and restaurant at the local airport. There are two other historical tours in town: one is a church built by the original German settlers in the mid-1800s and the other is a collection of original cabins and barns from the same timeframe, located next to what was the general store of that age. Both are very worthwhile tours. So, a couple of “good” places to visit before you get back on the roads for some more twisties.

Dinner was at the Fredericksburg Brewing Company – aka “The Brewery”. By this time, it was 6:30 PM and we were all starved and dried out. Needless to say, this was a good choice for two reasons: it was very nicely air conditioned inside, and the food was great. Dinner took about two hours – with a good chunk of that time spend recovering from the day and swapping stories. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to speak to most of the people in the group because I was pretty much worn-out from navigating and leading the drive all day.

We broke up at last before 9 PM and headed back to Austin. After driving well over 200 miles, what’s another 75 back to town?

Lessons Reinforced

I’ve been involved in a bunch of drives, and have led several over the years. I got involved with this one as a favor, and also because I’d been interested in making a first-hand impression of the Solstice by seeing it in “action” and talking to the owners.

·         Set a goal for the drive: whether it’s to do as many miles as possible, or just to have a relaxing drive followed by dinner as a group.

·         Know your audience: as I’ve said, skills vary widely. Experienced drivers can do a different type of drive than can inexperienced drivers. And everybody has different ideas about what kind of a drive they are looking for. Some pre-conceptions form if you don’t clearly explain the concept up front as early as possible. For most groups, you’ll need to find a happy compromise. We had an initially aggressive concept for this drive, which had to be reset as the potential attendees commented (via an online forum) about what they wanted.

·         Don’t rely entirely on GPS. GPS is the best possible thing for leading a drive: the ability to keep an accurate fix on your position in real time – even to plot a route change “on the fly” – is invaluable. But, as I’ve found in the past, equipment errors do happen and you need to be prepared. Laptops run out of batteries, GPS signal is occasionally lost (although extremely rare, it has happened on some occasions – for example in the middle of Open Road races where ascertaining the exact position is critical). In this case the backup for GPS is either the mapping software or at worst case a stack of hardcopy printouts.

o    BTW, IMHO, an in-car navigation system won’t work for this type of GPS usage. You can’t program those with complex routes and you can’t change the route to use your own choice of roads. And, you need a navigator to run the laptop – don’t try this yourself from the driver’s seat.

·         Be prepared to deal with folks who are new to this kind of drive. They need to be shown why they have to keep up with the group – although “keeping up” is a team function. Establish the cohesiveness of the group as a team, and then you can fly.

·         Don’t plan a drive that purposely has an average speed well above the speed limit. I’m not here to drone on about always playing by all the rules, but as professional drivers we do know that people’s skillsets vary widely (both the people on the drive as well as other drivers you will encounter on the roads) and you have to plan for that in a group drive. Plan on the speed limit, allow time for getting used to the pace.

·         Test-drive every single road of the drive – don’t rely on memory. As I found out, memory failed me. Many of these roads look alike after years have passed.

·         Plan on a gas break, and hold to the plan. We had an unplanned water stop, which everybody used to also gas up. That took valuable time. The Solstices and our S2000 didn’t require an extra gas fill up with only a 200-mile trip before dinner (although the Evo did).

·         Don’t plan an overly-ambitious route… plans change, people need to stop more often than you might think (not everybody in the group can use the “Dan Gurney” method on fast cross-country drives), and if you encounter anybody else on the most remote of the back roads, chances are they’ll hold you up and ruin your schedule if you don’t allow some leeway in your planning.

So, one more drive completed. The group is already talking about another one, although late in the fall when it’s much cooler. Hopefully the basic ideas of group drives have now been well-established. To keep this going, it’s time to get a variety of drive leaders established. Therefore, for the next drive, I’d suggest that one of the other members of the group take over. I’ll be happy to act as consultant for setting up the route, and maybe as sweep car. 


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